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Hi, so recently, I've been trying to rewrite the model policies that we have here on the wiki because the one we are currently following is a bit old - I'm not saying it's not working out, but perhaps it's time to update it? Also, it's a bit vague and I'm here to try and clear it up.
Proposal[]
Okay, these are my proposals:
- Scrap the idea of "Temporarily Reserved Models". Originally, temp reserved models have a three week time limit. If the model hasn't been used yet during this time period, the ownership on said model would be forfeited, and the model would be fair play to anyone who wishes to use it. However, it's really hard to keep track of the three week rule, and it could be really hectic for the admin team to keep a close eye on this ruling so, I say we remove it. By doing this, we will then allow users to have up to 5 PERMANENTLY RESERVED MODELS to make up for the loss of the temp reserved models. Previously, only three perm reserved models are allowed alongside three temp models. If we remove the temp models, it seems fair to raise the perm models to five.
- This one is a bit more complex. IF a character page gets archived, the model of the character is automatically fair play to any user who wishes to use it. Archiving could happen under different conditions. A.) If a user who is supposedly active, and has left no notes of inactivity, or told any member of the admin team, all their characters should be archived after 25 days without making an edit. B.) A user who is marked as officially inactive will only have 6 months before their characters get archived. If they make no edits within this time range, all character pages will be archived. C.) Sometimes, users archive some of their characters. Archived characters are different from "Away" characters though, and those Away characters (or those not currently being RP'ed by the users) are not affected by this ruling and you would still have to ask the owner of the character to use the model should you wish to. So yeah, all archived characters' models are fair play the moment they get archived. It's basically first come, first served. Should their be conflicts, then I guess people can just peacefully resolve it in chat or through IM. BUT, first person to reserve should have complete rights and the one who'll decide if they want to share.
- If a user is marked as User Left (if they voluntarily leave, or if they go inactive for more than six months) all character models are fair play UNLESS ownership is transferred to other users. There were instances wherein a user has left but their characters are not immediately archived. This would ensure that the moment they announce that they are leaving the wiki, the models of their characters are automatically fair play to anyone who wishes to use them.
- To complement proposals number two and three, if a user returns to the wiki after leaving or after their characters get archived, if they have a character whose models were taken away, they would have to ask the users who currently use them if they are willing to share (because the rights over the model should now be at the hands of the ones who are currently using them, not the ones who previously used them) and if they don't agree, then the returning user would have to look for a different model for their character.
- For the permanently reserved models of users who are inactive for at least three months (If they make no edits at all, regardless of their activity status [Semi-Active, Officially Inactive]) all rights on reserved models would be automatically forfeited. A model will remain permanently reserved, as long as the user continues to make edits. Reserved models will cease to be "permanent" once the users make no edits for three months and the model would then be fair play to anyone. THIS ONLY COVERS RESERVED MODELS as in models that do not have a character yet or are still in the works. The only time a model of a claimed character could be used is if the character page gets archived or if the user leaves the wiki (see above).
- Basically, the gist of two and three is that IF YOU LEAVE THE WIKI OR IF YOUR CHARACTERS GET ARCHIVED, YOU LOSE ALL RIGHTS ON THE MODELS OF CLAIMED CHARACTERS. For five, if you don't edit for three months, you lose ALL RIGHTS on RESERVED MODELS.
For now, these are my proposals. If I get more ideas, I'll try to update it from time to time. I think these rulings are more fair, and if you agree or disagree, you can show it by voting below and if you can, please leave a comment to tell us how you feel or if you have any suggestions. That's all, thank you! :))
(Also if anyone's wondering, I had permission from Brocky to do this.)
"Don't be such a sourwolf." ~Sterek
Voting[]
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For (+13)[]
- "Don't be such a sourwolf." ~Sterek
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- Makes a lot of sense! wishing whirling waving wandering stars 16:51, September 11, 2016 (UTC)
- Brocky Good morning, campers! ❤
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- "When I hear about you, I can laugh now." ~Daichi
- idk how many times I've delt with stuff think this {{James Siggy}}
- "long and lost" ~~ Minx the Banshee
- "If life hands you a lemon, throw it at someone!" DrXax
- Without moving a muscle, I’m chained up. HYU 05:30, September 18, 2016 (UTC)
- Gypsy Thief
- this is actually very logical i like it! "Hard like a rock. Cold like stone. White like a diamond, black like coal... ~Steve~
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Comments[]
- Question: if a person leave and then in his or her 'will' or so to say the user says to pass the model to someone what happen?
Behind those cold hard computer screens.....There’s a human heart beating away its emotions…
As mentioned above, if they pass the character on to other users, that user will possess rights of the model. If you meant just the model, I'm afraid the user who they want to pass it must reserve it themselves once it's made available.
"Don't be such a sourwolf." ~Sterek
what if they were pass to different users? I've seen that happen before (I think) so how does your new system remedy this? (I"m sorry for asking a lot of question I guess thats the law student in me >.<)
Behind those cold hard computer screens.....There’s a human heart beating away its emotions…
The purpose of this is to make acquisition of models as fair as possible for everyone. Therefore, the only way to "pass" the model to another user, is to have that user reserve it themselves the moment it is made available. If someone else does it before they do, then I'm afraid that user who did it first gets all rights.
"Don't be such a sourwolf." ~Sterek
Ahhh ok last question I've found this one problem lately. A model having 3 chars using him or her. However 2 of the char belong to the same person so what happen?
Behind those cold hard computer screens.....There’s a human heart beating away its emotions…
I don't see any problems with that. As long as the users agree to share the model, everything is up to their discretion. :)
"Don't be such a sourwolf." ~Sterek
So is their a way that a user can go inactive for a period of say three to six months due to school or other personal affairs and come back and not have to change all of their models? I ask this because if their is not a way, then we are simply discouraging old users from returning which is going to really constrain the user base of the wiki as the number of potential new users drops due to the simple fact that in the world of young adult novels, Percy Jackson is beginning to fade into the background. In my opinion, in order for such a policy to work, the wiki must either have a large base of users who hardly ever go inactive which isn't the case or can bring in new users at the same rate as people leave which is unlikely to happen for the reason I stated before. I therefore don't find this policy to be a very prudent idea as it is recklessly mortaging the wiki's future on some well of new users that may or may not exist when the majority of the wiki as a whole is veterans at the current time.
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Like I've said, the purpose of this is to be as fair to everyone as possible. Basically, a person will only lose their models is if they are officially inactive for 6 months, because that's the time that their characters will be archived. This policy is actually just a follow-up to the one we have in place right now because technically, once a page has been archived, models are up for grabs. I'm just writing everything down to give a clear idea because before, people had to ask a lot of questions about this since it has never been written down, yet when they ask admins, they say that as long as the user has been inactive for 6 months, then it's alright to go ahead and grab the model. Also, a lot of users had asked me about using models of inactive users, and while there may be a lot of users who come back from time to time, there are also those who never come back, and most of the time when they do come back, they don't even get their old characters back and just make new ones (like what I did). All I'm trying to say is it may be a bit unfair to those inactive users to give their models away but they must know that it's part of going inactive. I understand that there are times when you really have to go inactive (I should know, I've done that twice) but our priorities should lie with the active members of the wiki. Yes, it's unfair to just strip users from their model rights but it's also unfair to let them keep them for months and months of inactivity with no certainty if they are ever coming back to those who wants to use their models and are currently active in the wiki. I'm not saying that we ignore inactive users altogether, I'm just saying that we should give priority to the currently active members of the wiki, since they are the ones who are editing and roleplaying and keeping this place alive. Besides, like I've said above, sharing models are not unheard of. If they come back and wish to use their model again, they could have a talk with the current owner and hope for the best. It's not the end of the world. I don't see how this could jeopardise the future of the wiki. Inactive users are users who don't edit anymore, at the end of the day, those who still are active should be able to fully enjoy this wiki and have rights over those who do not anymore. We can't just let them keep their models if they're not using it anymore. And they should be aware of that fact when they go inactive. You can't always have everything, right?